6.15.26 Economic Snapshot; SoFi's Ally Carty on Brand; Peace Deal Bond Impact

Today’s episode includes a look at the latest economic snapshot and headlines making the news. Plus, Robbie sits down with Ally Carty discuss her transition from Guild Mortgage to SoFi and what she learned from stepping back. She reflects on burnout, the pressures of building a personal brand, and why authenticity - not algorithms - remains the foundation of effective content and leadership. And we close by talking about what the bond market is doing in reaction to a peace deal with Iran.

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Speaker 1 0:03

Welcome to the Chrisman Commentary, Daily Mortgage News Podcast. I'm your host, Robbie Chrisman. Topics on today's episode include Spring 2026 economic market snapshot, why oil and inflation news outweighs old economic news, in my interview with SoFi's Ali Cardi on the pressures of building a personal brand and why authenticity, not algorithms, remains the foundation of effective content and leadership. Here, take a listen to a little preview.

Speaker 2 0:33

There's a lot of eyeballs on you. And so I I want your thoughts on kind of what you've learned about being the center of attention. And almost I my my view of you going to guild was that it was almost this reset in a sense of let me recede a little bit from the public eye, let me recalibrate what I really want. And now you're re-emerging onto the public stage. Thoughts on personally what it means to be in the public sphere or viewed a lot. And also you mentioned coaching with clients, what people are putting out there, how you feel about what people are doing in terms of their own brand and who sees it and how it affects people.

Speaker 1:11

Robbie, that's a great question. This is why you run such a great podcast because I've been very intentional in even this transition. I think transitioning to guild was so exciting for me because it was a time for me to really practice what I preach and launch this program and be a part of the IMB space. And in it, I like I said, I got a little burnt out and I took a step back to really look at what I wanted to do in the industry. And coming to SoFi, it's given me like two, three weeks to really just look at holistically where I hope my career goes and like the impact I want to make. The biggest takeaway I have is just being genuine. And I think that's what really led from the beginning. Like I was at Active Comply, just trying to meet people and struggling. And so I leaned into LinkedIn and it was so genuine at 24, 23, even where I was like, hey, I'm so young, but I I want to learn about the industry. And I'm at this IMB conference and I'm with Rob Chrisman. And you know, I'm out here just trying to hustle. People really resonated with that mentality and found value in like, hey, I'm the first like really Gen Z in this industry so far that's gonna have a voice on LinkedIn. And so I think as I'm entering my late 20s, uh, when Robbie and I were practicing, he said, we're both in our 30s, right? Uh not practically. So I'm 27 now, and I think it's just time to revamp how I look at the industry, but I want to continue educating on my generation because I'm still Gen Z. We're just taking up more of the marketplace, but we're still evolving. Like I'm writing a post right now about how the commencement speeches at universities keep were booing AI. Like there's nuances when we look at Gen Z. I just want my brand to not only encapsulate that, but also things learning as like a young professional in mortgage and owning my first home and little things that really make me me, but they're still genuine.

Speaker 1 3:07

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Speaker 2 7:02

Maybe before we get into the interview in Ernest, kind of where where have you been, girl?

Speaker 7:07

Yeah, no, very valid, Robbie. It's funny, when we first reconnected after a while a few weeks ago, you hit me with this and I took it to heart. I was like, man, he's right. And so I uh did some reflecting. And I think honestly, when I moved to Guild, I was taking over a new job and starting the creator community, and I had so much on my plate. And then I also had like this unsaid pressure to keep posting. And everyone was like had their eyes on my content, and I just felt like this unspoken pressure. And it's such a thing with content. And when your life gets busy, and I've really developed like an admiration for our loan officers that I coach, and I'm like, why aren't you guys posting? I just feel like I got burnout, I guess. And so I kind of the longer it went, the less I started making videos. But Robbie, since our last conversation, you really inspired me. Like I'm leaning back in. This is like the moment. I'll never forget. I was at a conference once and someone came up and said you're the Taylor Swift and Mortgage. And I was like, that's crazy to think about. And to think about that statement to where I kind of evolved to the past two years at Guild. I really want to be more intentional about my content, about being out there and just like being the voice for Gen Z and participating more. So I'm glad you called me on it and I'm excited to kind of step back in. But yeah, it's definitely a thing burnout.

Speaker 2 8:26

Well, speaking of the Taylor Swift of Mortgage, people can't see our videos here, but your background is blue and white, a la Toy Story 5, which she just announced a big thing for. Your background, blue and white, though, is for SoFi, which is where we now find you. And a lot of people might be surprised to hear that you have moved on from my dad was, I should say, my dad was surprised to hear you've moved on from guild and are working at SoFi, but maybe update people on your newest role.

Speaker 8:54

For sure. I'm I'm glad that your dad at least was following my career. And that's that's good to know. But first of all, SoFi stands for social finance. So I think that's always fun to mention, like my social media background, finance, good fit. What happened was one of my dear friend family friends, Michael Ordilly, moved over to SoFi to relaunch the retail line. And he is wanting to bring on some real powerhouse loan officers. And I thought it'd be exciting to come get my toes in the fintech side of our industry and try to bring what I've learned and cultivated from guild to more of the banking side. I was on the vendor side with ActiComply, IMB with Guild, and um just really an exciting opportunity to learn more about fintech and the banking side.

Speaker 2 9:41

Your role at SoFi is blank, and we'll play a game of ad libs here. Your role at SoFi is blank, you hope to accomplish blank, and you feel like the industry is missing blank that you will you will be able to provide from your new role.

Speaker 9:57

Okay. My role at SoFi is very encompassing, and we're still trying to figure out day-to-day, but it's growth marketing and brand strategy manager, which sounds like a lot of words, but it's basically what I was doing at Guild and just filling in from a marketing perspective as they're building out the retail channel. So, what I hope to do here is to really help as we bring on more loan officers, coach them on their social media strategy right up front, come up with a game plan, and then also continue doing some outward external facing events that I think at Guild I kind of stepped away from. For example, you and I will be in New York at the New York MBA in a few months. And I want to really commit to being back out there and taking some of the banking data and the overall consumer data from the SoFi side and translating it into home lending and focusing on that first-time home buyer. Moving to SoFi does give me more data and analytics to pull from when I do get in front of more audiences to talk about Gen Z and align it with social strategy. So that is what I hope to do here. And then one thing I hope that the industry takes or can learn from uh the SoFi side is what was most interesting to me, SoFi's consumer on the banking side is drastically lower than industry norm when it comes to banking, you know, their student loans and how they've really like marketed to students. I'm excited to learn more about that and see how it could translate to home lending and first-time home buyers that are closer to our age.

Speaker 2 11:32

When you say lower, you mean lower into their careers or net worth or kind of all that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember when I worked there. First off, I say finance instead of finance, so I called it sofa instead of sofi. No, I'm just kidding. I you don't have to repeat that. So I remember we were submitting a bid tape to some institutional investor to try and sell our loans. And we had to put together basically, hey, what are the characteristics of this borrower? And a lot of it was what are their monthly revolving debt payments. Obviously, we were targeting these people that we called Henry's, high earners that are not rich yet. So maybe they're a doctor, and you know, maybe you're in Silicon Valley, you're making a lot of money, but you don't necessarily have this big wealth background behind you, or your your stock units are locked up or whatever it might be. And I was amazed at just how many revolving debt payments people have, and how even these people that seem very well qualified are struggling in a lot of other ways. And so I think I think SoFi, it's been neat to see them get into a lot more financial literacy and and some of the that side of the financing process. Obviously, they pioneered to a large extent in the fintech world this customer for life, customer across multiple products. Your thoughts on the advantages that SoFi has and kind of what the next gen, I mean, your your whole shtick from the start was Gen Z, kind of what the younger generation is still lacking out there from their financial companies.

Speaker 12:56

To clarify what kind of SoFi brings to the table or could kind of differentiate in a marketplace, I think it's really interesting, like you said, lifecycle marketing. So studying like the consumer habits from a banking side and like this tech forward mindset, you know, the ability to do most of your banking like 100% digitally versus a traditional like chase, Bank of America, like going in person. I think that's really unique. And it'll be interesting to see how that next generation like really embraces that digital tendency. When I think about my brand and why it resonates with SoFi, again, like that student loan, like targeting and how they're branding that for the full loan cycle, I guess, or loan products. It'll be interesting to see how many of those like original Gen Z age people also decide to get loans for homes through SoFi. And even just talking to the uh the agents in the loan officers that I know in Middle Tennessee, where SoFi like is not super like on billboards or well branded, it's crazy how many people are already banking with SoFi as like a consumer because of their student loans being there. And so just kind of the momentum of okay, you have student loans here, you also have banking here. And now how can we translate that to make sure that you get your mortgage through us too?

Speaker 2 14:17

There's a weird dichotomy going on. People now have personal brands. You mentioned LinkedIn, that's a big thing. A lot of people think that they're superstars of the industry solely from their LinkedIn. Obviously, that was a backhanded remark. The algorithm can shift. Uh, then do you really have that following if the algorithm shifts? That's one kind of thing I'd like you to comment on. And then also personal brand mixed with corporate brand, because you're Alicardi and you have an Alicardi brand, but also it was involved at Active Comply. It was you know and meshed with guild and now it's interacting with SoFi. Thoughts on for people too in the industry, not it's it's beyond you in the way I mean that kind of meshing your personal brand with a corporate brand when it can change, when when you can obviously change companies, relying on LinkedIn as your source of influence when the algorithm can change, just kind of how to evolve with the shifting sands of influencing.

Speaker 15:08

When I think about the word algorithm, I think it sounds so scary. A lot of our loan officers are like, what about the algorithm this month? And I'm like, at the end of the day, one of the biggest reasons I think my LinkedIn or any content I've done on Instagram or TikTok has ever found success, it's because I post it for my like that's something that I feel. And I want to be able to look back on it in years on my digital profile and see like how I've evolved. And so that was one thing, like when I first started posting, whether it's Instagram, LinkedIn, I never really focused on the algorithm. It was just like the content itself. And that I think really does play to anyone's favor. It's like no secret meta and TikTok, and there's all these different facets that we will never fully understand the algorithm. So just showing up genuinely on and authentically will make the most impact. And then when it comes to meshing personal and professional, this is something that I think at the beginning of my career I really like overcompensated for on the professional side because of my age or just looking a little different in the mortgage landscape. So the biggest advice I've given to our loan officers at Guild was always think about like what you relate to the most when you're scrolling. Is it an educational piece on insurance? And you're like, oh, this is great. Um, most likely not. You're gonna relate to people who are of similar interests, personality. You know, I know you, Robbie, you like being in the jungle now.

Speaker 2 16:33

Um Yeah, what do you what do you know about me, Allie Carr?

Speaker 16:35

You're a wilderness boy. But all in all, I think finding a happy medium that just feels genuine, like I said, and authentic and not over polished. That's one thing our industry is known for is being too professional. And it's really evolved to be a mix of two. So whatever the individual is most comfortable with, I always say lean into. But I highly encourage bringing parts of personal life and you know, car conversations, favorite coffee orders, those things really do build trust and relationships in a digital environment.

Speaker 2 17:05

So I remember when I started this podcast, I was very monotone because I've I'm thinking to myself, how does the news sound? This is the day, this is the daily mortgage news with Broughton, you know, or like if you go back, it's too cringe to use a young person for me to go for me to go back and listen to, but I've evolved and I realize, dovetailing with what you said, people like personality regard almost regardless of what it is. Just lack of personality is something that people really don't really like. You can have a ton of personality and be bubble, you can have a ton of personality and be kind of a curmudgeon or quirky, and people are like, that's interesting. I'll I'll give that more of my attention than somebody else. So this has obviously evolved. I think that I uh enjoy doing it a lot more the more personality I put into it. It feels more like something that I I enjoy, and that that gets back to what you said about well, I just post stuff that like resonates with me and like I feel good about it because it's authentic to myself. And so that's that's a good remark. When you look back, you use the word evolution. Thoughts on the evolution of Ali Cardi. Where was she? Where is she? Where's she going? Don't look at me like that.

Speaker 18:08

Good question. Evolution of Ali Cardi. I think it's hard to even say that at 27. It's crazy. I've been in the industry for almost four and a half years, well, four years the other day. So starting at 23, 24, I was like cold calling C-level executives, like super nervous, super not myself. That was kind of how I started. And I took a leap and I started leaning into LinkedIn as this, you know, young, very inexperienced and unknowledgeable mortgage girly. And when I went to Guild, I was really excited to just kind of dig my roots and like know more about the mortgage process. Meet loan officers, actually have genuine conversations and like build a little bit of experience and I guess empathy for the people that I was trying to connect with. So I at Guild, I really believe I did that. I got out of my comfort zone personally. I went to Ecuador on a mission trip, which was crazy. I started off very inexperienced. I'm still inexperienced, but I at least have empathy for the people I'm trying to work with and understand better. And here at SoFi, I want to really challenge myself to be a sponge and take up as much experience outside of just home lending, but like from a corporate marketing perspective. Like we sponsored CMA Fest here in Nashville. What can I learn from a social media and like psychological marketing perspective that could translate to homelanding and like my career over time? So I think I'm still inexperienced, but I'm just trying to be more of a sponge and have more confidence about that at 27, entering this next phase in my career.

Speaker 2 19:30

Well, you certainly have more experience than you think, and more people look up to you than you probably realize. And so don't short yourself too much there. But enough about you.

Speaker 19:40

Yeah, let's talk about you, are we?

Speaker 2 19:42

No. Let's talk about Gen Z. So if we talk Ali Cardi and the evolution of Ali Cardi. What is your perception of the way that Gen Z has evolved when it comes to home buying, the lending space, since you first started talking about them and kind of being this Gen Z whisper a couple years ago? How have they changed?

Speaker 20:03

First time home buyers grew last year from 30 to 35% of the market share, which I think is so interesting from 2025 to 2026. And I do think Gen Z is evolving to be there. Um, just in the conversations and the research, it's really interesting to me the negative pessimism that Gen Z has around homeownership. And it's very disheartening for me because I started off like every research article, like they were outperforming millennials, like they were very much on track to be this like strong homeownership generation. And we did a huge research uh survey at Guild that just relayed a lot of negative pessimism within the age group of it was 18 to 29. And I think that was a little bit shocking to me. But I also see things like the NAR data where first-time homebuyers is not necessarily Gen Z home buyers. We are slowly entering the marketplace more. I just think that there's gonna be a little bit more coaching and trust building that's needed. And like I mentioned earlier, the AI component is also like really building a divide between not just our industry, but any business model and that first-time homebuyer today to really do their due diligence, research things. Um, but it's also playing to our advantage. For example, like, this is such a homeowner thing, but like my HVAC unit, last night I noticed there was like some weird texture at the bottom. And I asked ChatGBT, is this mold? What is this? Should I call someone? And they were like, you should get someone out to look at it. And I used ChatGBT to find that person. So Gen Z is evolving just like any other generation when it comes to AI, but I do think there's a little bit more negative mindset as we've looked at the housing industry over the past four years.

Speaker 2 21:41

I really miss my days at SoFi. I told you about how much fun I had with my real with the my coworkers there that were really smart, were young, were hungry, vivacious, all those things. And so I wish you the best of luck. I'm really appreciative that you you reached out and made the time. And I'm excited to speak with you at the MBA of New York this fall. Hopefully, we'll see you more on the conference circuit. Um, always a pleasure, miss.

Speaker 22:02

Thanks, Robbie. You're the best.

Speaker 1 22:06

Investors appear increasingly convinced that the Federal Reserve retains the flexibility to remain patient, particularly as lower oil prices offset concerns about near-term inflation persistence. As a result, attention has shifted away from backward-looking economic releases and toward this week's FOMC meeting, with developments in the Middle East now exerting greater influence over ray markets than either inflation data or treasury supply. Yes, inflation remains elevated, but continued progress toward a ceasefire can sustain the recent decline in energy prices and extend the bond rally further. This week's economic calendar will be highlighted by the first FOMC meeting led by its new chair, Kevin Walsh. Expectations are for no change in Fed funds rate, and for the meeting statement to strike a balanced tone by removing the easing bias from the prior statement, but not suggesting that policy tighten is imminent. Today's economic calendar kicked off with the June Empire State Manufacturing Survey. Later today brings my industrial production and capacity utilization and the June NAHB Housing Market Index. We begin the week with agency MBS prices better than Friday's close by about an eighth, depending on coupon and maturity, the two-year yielding 4.05, and the ten-year yielding 4.45 after closing last week at 4.49%, down five basis points over the course of last week. Although stocks have improved, the bond market hasn't done much with the war news. Let's wrap up with a joke and some housekeeping. If you think about breathing or blinking too much, your brain will turn off autopilot and switch it to manual. Thanks again to this week's podcast sponsor, TrueWork, the one verification solution to replace in house waterfalls. Verify any borrower with a VOIE solution that automates the entire process to quickly deliver the most accurate and complete reports with broad GSE coverage. To learn more, visit TrueWork.com.